Wednesday, June 03, 2009

[JesusMysteries] Who Crucified Jesus?

Hi Richard Godwin,
The Pauline gospel consists of "Christ preached," (1 Cor. 15:12) and Christ portrayed (Gal. 3:1). There is not a single appeal to an eye witness for any "fact" of the life of Jesus. Other than vision and revelation, no one has any knowledge of Christ. Where are the thousands of followers who ate miraculous meals at his behest, listened to him preach, welcomed him to Jerusalem in the triumphal entry? Paul must have avoided them like the plague if the tradtional story is true. Paul must have stopped his ears and hummed loady to never know that Jesus had (supposedly) been known as a great healer, and had cast out legions of demons. Richard, something is stinky fishy in the orthodox beliefs regarding Jesus and Paul.
Who were his parents? Paul doesn't know. Where was he born, where did he die, was he buried in a tomb or eaten by dogs? Don't ask Paul. It is as if Paul and Jesus were from different planets.
The Pauline crucifixion does not mention Pontius Pilate, or the Jews, or King Herod; so it doesn't do a thing to advance the case of historicity. The Rulers that are said to crucify Jesus are as much adrift in otherworldliness as Jesus himself.
The "Lord of Glory" was crucified by unnamed "Archons of the Aeon". 1 Cor. 2:8. There are no historical anchors in the Pauline corpus as to when or in which realm Jesus was crucified. See "Who Crucified Jesus?" by Earl Doherty, http://home.ca.inter.net/oblio/supp03.htm
Jesus is written of as crucified in the Pauline corpus, but not in a historical context.
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Corinthians 2:8. A similar scene is found in the _Ascension of Isaiah_ chapter 9,
http://tinyurl.com/7vx2z .
There is no indication that Jesus was crucified in the Pauline writers' recent past. In fact, the opposite is indicated. "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past" Romans 16:25.
Jesus redemptive deeds were either done in a higher realm or the primordial past. The revelation of these deeds was through the preaching of the gospel in the writers' present time.
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: Col. 1:26.
The oldest known interpretation of 1 Cor. 2:8 is that of Marcion (Against
Marcion Book V). Marcion taught that Jesus was crucified by spiritual archons, minions of the Demiurge. Tertullian's argument is clearly secondary to Marcion's, and was only fashioned contra-Marcion, but has become the standard orthodox apology ever since.

But because (the apostle) subjoins, on the subject of
our glory, that "none of the princes of this world
knew it for had they known it they would not have
crucified the Lord of glory," the heretic [Marcion]
argues that the princes of this world crucified the
Lord (that is, the Christ of the rival god) in order
that this blow might even recoil on the Creator ... it
properly enough was unknown to all the princes and
powers of the Creator, on the principle that servants
are not permitted to know their masters' plans, much
less the fallen angels and the leader of transgression
himself, the devil Himself.
Tertullian Against Marcion Book V
http://ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-03/anf03-35.htm#P7393_2130388

The Redeemer in Gnostic myth, (Christos/Chrestos), descends incognito through the spheres, and fools the archons by taking on the appearance of the beings appropriate to each realm, and gains passage through each Archonic gate by means of secret passwords. When he emerges from the last gate, he begins to preach, and is put to death in ignorance by the demiurge and his minions.

Jake Jones IV

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