The folly of pretence
by Daniel Dennett, The Guardian
Thanks to Catalin for the link.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/jul/16/daniel-dennett-belief\
-atheism
We must not preserve the myth of God--it was a useful crutch, but we've
outgrown it
As I explain in the chapter by that title in Breaking the Spell,
"belief in belief" is a common phenomenon not restricted to religions.
Economists realise that a sound currency depends on people believing
that the currency is sound, and scientists recognise that the actual
objectivity of scientific studies on global warming is politically
impotent unless people believe in that objectivity, so economists and
scientists (among others) take steps to foster and protect such beliefs
that they think are benign. That's acting on belief in belief.
Sometimes the maintenance of a belief is deemed so important that
impressive systems of propaganda are erected and vigorously defended by
people who do not in fact share the belief that they think is so
important for society to endorse. For instance, imbecile monarchs have
been kept on their thrones by widespread conspiracies of oblivion and
deception when it has been deemed too socially disruptive to confirm to
the populace what everybody suspects: the king is an idiot.
Religion offers an extreme case of this. Today one of the most
insistent forces arrayed in opposition to us vocal atheists is the "I'm
an atheist but" crowd, who publicly deplore our "hostility", our
"rudeness" (which is actually just candour), while privately admitting
that we're right. They don't themselves believe in God, but they
certainly do believe in belief in God. It's not always easy to tell who
just believes in belief, since the actions motivated by believing in
belief (while not actually believing in God) are â€" with the exception
of those rare sotto voce confessions â€" well-nigh indistinguishable from
the actions of genuine believers: say the prayers, sing the hymns,
tithe, proclaim one's allegiance, volunteer for church projects, and so
on. Sometimes I wonder if even 10% of the people who proclaim their
belief in God actually do believe in God. I am particularly unimpressed
by those who proclaim the loudest; they demonstrate by their very
activism that they fear the effect of any erosion of religion, and they
must think that erosion is likely if they don't put their shoulders to
the wheel. If they were more confident and secure in their religious
convictions, they probably wouldn't waste their time trying to
discredit a few atheists. For instance, since they are confident that
the moon landings really happened, they don't bother working to
discredit the moon-landing sceptics who lurk on the internet, even
though those people do pose something of a threat to public confidence
in the veracity of the media and the government.
I am confident that those who believe in belief are wrong. That is,
we no more need to preserve the myth of God in order to preserve a just
and stable society than we needed to cling to the Gold Standard to keep
our currency sound. It was a useful crutch, but we've outgrown it.
Denmark, according to a recent study, is the sanest, healthiest,
happiest, most crime-free nation in the world, and by and large the
Danes simply ignore the God issue. We should certainly hope that those
who believe in belief are wrong, because belief is waning fast, and the
props are beginning to buckle.
A national study by evangelicals in the United States predicted
that only 4% of their children would grow up to be "Bible-believing"
adults. The Southern Baptists are baptising about as many today as they
were in 1950, when the population was half what it is today. At what
point should those who just believe in belief throw in the towel and
stop trying to get their children and neighbours to cling to what they
themselves no longer need? How about now?
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sceptics were referred to as "loonies", contrary to the Guardian style
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Thursday, July 16, 2009
[Real World Atheism] Hindu Leader Criticizes Pope for Being too Hard on Nontheists
Hindu Leader Criticizes Pope for Being too Hard on Nontheists
http://americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2009-07-hindu-leader-criticizes-pope-for-being-too-hard-on-nontheists
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July 15, 2009
Rajan Zed, a well known Hindu leader, criticized the Pope for his rough handling of atheists and humanists in the Pope's recent encyclical "Caritas in Veritate" (Charity in Truth) issued in Rome.
In it, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI wrote: "...ideological rejection of God and an atheism of indifference, oblivious to the Creator and at risk of becoming equally oblivious to human values, constitute some of the chief obstacles to development today. A humanism which excludes God is an inhuman humanism."
More than two years in the making, this 144-page and more than 30,000-word encyclical letter of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI to "all people of good will" is considered the highest form of papal teaching.
Zed said that as Catholics and Hindus and others had freedom of their belief systems and were respected for their respective choices, so should atheists. Zed thinks that a religious leader of the Pope's stature should have been more inclusive.
"Although the Pope talked about 'right to religious freedom', 'cooperation of the human family', 'truly universal human community', etc., in this document, he apparently condemned the beliefs of a considerable chunk of world population called atheists, humanists, etc.", said Zed.
Zed, who is based in Reno, Nev., and is president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, asked "Who were we as human beings to judge publicly that other humans' beliefs different than us were 'inhuman'?"
While applauding Pope Benedict for his call for the "common good", which encompasses taking greater social responsibility through reform of financial bodies, sharing the earth's resources equitably and lessening the growing divide between poor and rich, among other things mentioned in "Caritas in Veritete", Zed feels that the leader of the Catholic Church "needs to learn to be more inclusive and large-hearted."
(Editor's Note: On July 12, 2009, Zed made history by becoming the first Hindu chaplain to offer the U.S. Senate's morning prayer. Unfortunately, three Christian extremists disrupted the proceedings by shouting "this is an abomination" among other insults , from the visitors' gallery before being led away by police. Police arrested them and later charged them with disrupting Congress, a misdemeanor. Zed chose not to comment on the incident when requested by HNN.)
Rajan Zed is the president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, an Interfaith Leader Award recipient, and chairperson of the Indo-American Leadership Confederation. He is also a panelist on an online conversation , "On Religion," jointly produced by Newsweek magazine and washingtonpost.com.
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Rajan Zed, a well known Hindu leader, criticized the Pope for his rough handling of atheists and humanists in the Pope's recent encyclical "Caritas in Veritate" (Charity in Truth) issued in Rome.
In it, His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI wrote: "...ideological rejection of God and an atheism of indifference, oblivious to the Creator and at risk of becoming equally oblivious to human values, constitute some of the chief obstacles to development today. A humanism which excludes God is an inhuman humanism."
More than two years in the making, this 144-page and more than 30,000-word encyclical letter of the Supreme Pontiff Benedict XVI to "all people of good will" is considered the highest form of papal teaching.
Zed said that as Catholics and Hindus and others had freedom of their belief systems and were respected for their respective choices, so should atheists. Zed thinks that a religious leader of the Pope's stature should have been more inclusive.
"Although the Pope talked about 'right to religious freedom', 'cooperation of the human family', 'truly universal human community', etc., in this document, he apparently condemned the beliefs of a considerable chunk of world population called atheists, humanists, etc.", said Zed.
Zed, who is based in Reno, Nev., and is president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, asked "Who were we as human beings to judge publicly that other humans' beliefs different than us were 'inhuman'?"
While applauding Pope Benedict for his call for the "common good", which encompasses taking greater social responsibility through reform of financial bodies, sharing the earth's resources equitably and lessening the growing divide between poor and rich, among other things mentioned in "Caritas in Veritete", Zed feels that the leader of the Catholic Church "needs to learn to be more inclusive and large-hearted."
(Editor's Note: On July 12, 2009, Zed made history by becoming the first Hindu chaplain to offer the U.S. Senate's morning prayer. Unfortunately, three Christian extremists disrupted the proceedings by shouting "this is an abomination" among other insults , from the visitors' gallery before being led away by police. Police arrested them and later charged them with disrupting Congress, a misdemeanor. Zed chose not to comment on the incident when requested by HNN.)
Rajan Zed is the president of the Universal Society of Hinduism, an Interfaith Leader Award recipient, and chairperson of the Indo-American Leadership Confederation. He is also a panelist on an online conversation , "On Religion," jointly produced by Newsweek magazine and washingtonpost.com.
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[TC-Alternate-list] Eznik of Golb - Confirmed Witness to Mark 16:18
Finally! Another legend is verified: Conybeare stated that Eznik of Golb, the Armenian translator/writer, is a witness for Mark 16:9-20, but I was never able to actually see the quotation, until now.
It is found on p. 85 of
A Treatise on God Written in Armenian by Eznik of Kolb (430-450)
by Monica J. Blanchard and Robin Darling Young, 1998.
(Easter Christian Texts in Translation series)
(This is the same composition otherwise known by the Latin title "De Deo" and as "Against the Sects.")
Paragraph 112:
"But Satan is unable to prevail over true believers by his temptations, nor are sorcerers able to do so by demons, just as the Lord Himself said to His disciples: "Behold, I gave you power to tread under foot serpents and scorpions, and all the powers of the enemy" (Luke 10:10) And again, "Here are signs of believers: they will dislodge demons, and they will take serpents into their hand, and they will drink a deadly poison and it will not cause harm." (Mark 16:17-18)"
That's an interesting form of the quotation. Because, among other things, it has the "And in their hands" phrase which is an Alexandrian variant.
450. Let's see . . . that's about 400 years earlier than any Armenian witness against Mark 16:9-20, as far as I know.
Jerome, btw, had nothing on Eznik. Eznik makes many quotations in the course of this composition, and sometimes mentions the contents of Hebrew and Syriac texts.
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It is found on p. 85 of
A Treatise on God Written in Armenian by Eznik of Kolb (430-450)
by Monica J. Blanchard and Robin Darling Young, 1998.
(Easter Christian Texts in Translation series)
(This is the same composition otherwise known by the Latin title "De Deo" and as "Against the Sects.")
Paragraph 112:
"But Satan is unable to prevail over true believers by his temptations, nor are sorcerers able to do so by demons, just as the Lord Himself said to His disciples: "Behold, I gave you power to tread under foot serpents and scorpions, and all the powers of the enemy" (Luke 10:10) And again, "Here are signs of believers: they will dislodge demons, and they will take serpents into their hand, and they will drink a deadly poison and it will not cause harm." (Mark 16:17-18)"
That's an interesting form of the quotation. Because, among other things, it has the "And in their hands" phrase which is an Alexandrian variant.
450. Let's see . . . that's about 400 years earlier than any Armenian witness against Mark 16:9-20, as far as I know.
Jerome, btw, had nothing on Eznik. Eznik makes many quotations in the course of this composition, and sometimes mentions the contents of Hebrew and Syriac texts.
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Sunday, July 12, 2009
Dispraxis was edited
Dispraxis writes: I was trying to reproduce the search results from Logos Bible software as shown in the video here: http://michaelsheiser.com/PaleoBabble/2008/06/exposing-the-work-of-zecharia-sitchin-part-1-elohim-in-the-hebrew-bible/, but the video doesn't show the last part, and for some unknown reason Dr. Heiser cannot access the saved query as shown in the video apparently.
However, my total results were different (317 as opposed to 322). I have since created a syntax search that does give 322 returns, but I'm not sure that the syntax is exactly like Dr. Heiser's. Below are links to the saved syntax query search (do not click the link, rather save it to My Documents/Libronix DLS/SyntaxQueries, if you own Logos Bible Software only!).
However, my total results were different (317 as opposed to 322). I have since created a syntax search that does give 322 returns, but I'm not sure that the syntax is exactly like Dr. Heiser's. Below are links to the saved syntax query search (do not click the link, rather save it to My Documents/Libronix DLS/SyntaxQueries, if you own Logos Bible Software only!).
Recent changes on Dispraxis
File Elohim as subject of a SINGULAR predicator.lbxstq
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Saturday, July 11, 2009
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Posted: 11 Jul 2009 03:04 PM PDT I recently had a request from a user of our software (Logos/Libronix) for the search I created as part of the video Imade on elohim in the Hebrew Bible–which shows point-blank that Zecharia Sitchin is completely wrong with respect to what he says about elohim. Alas, I deleted my search and can’t reproduce it exactly since the video cuts off a few lines of it. But not to worry for anyone out there who would like the searches (and who have the software, obviously). Below are two new searches. I’ve simplified the parameters a bit, and so the result numbers aren’t exactly what the video shows. I don’t feel like redoing the video (the site is what needs my attention). Just click on the links and you’ll be able to donwload the files in Libronix. Put them at My Documents/Libronix DLS/SyntaxQueries. If you don’t have the syntax query folder, it’s because you never saved one of your own (you’ll have to go to Search>Syntax Search in Libronix and make one up and save it to first create that folder). Search 1: Elohim as a noun and the subject of a third masculine singular finite verb (367 occurrences). Download the file HERE by right clicking and choosing “Save Link As”. Make sure you put it in the folder described above AND that the extension of the file is *.lbxstq (downloading it off the blog and saving may change it to a text file, which is no good in Libronix). Search 2: same as above but I added ha-elohim as a subject (elohim + definite article; 465 occurrences). Download the file HERE by right clicking and choosing “Save Link As”. Make sure you put it in the folder described above AND that the extension of the file is *.lbxstq (downloading it off the blog and saving may change it to a text file, which is no good in Libronix).  |
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Thursday, July 09, 2009
[TC-Alternate-list] Codex Sinaiticus, Tischendorf, and J Rendel Harris
Codex Sinaiticus is online, and now the whole high-speed-connected world can see the manuscript, right down to the stichoi-notes!
It is inevitable that the new online publication will lead many viewers to read accounts about how Tischendorf "rescued" the codex from the monks at St. Catherine's. So I take this opportunity to say:
Tischendorf's story is not true.
The codex was essentially stolen. It was borrowed under the pretense that Tischendorf would return it on request.
As for Tischendorf's claim that he rescued part of the manuscript from a trash-basket, and that the basket's contents were about to be burned -- J. Rendel Harris has some interesting things to say about that in the 1908 February issue of The Expositor, which is available to download online, in the course of his article/review, "Dr. Gregory on the Canon and Text of the New Testament." Whereas Gregory took Tischendorf's side entirely, Harris is the complete opposite.
J. Rendel Harris was uniquely qualified to judge the plausibility of Tischendorf's claims, having visited St. Catherine's monastery himself. And Harris, as you will see when you read his remarks, provides good reasons to reject Tischendorf's version of events. Yet that fabrication -- whether promoted innocently, or with calculation, God knows -- is still being promoted.
This is an opportune moment for the British Library to do the right thing and offer to return Codex Sinaiticus to St. Catherine's Monastery. There has been a little bit of publicity about the online release of the photographs. It would be more, and better, publicity, in my book, if the people in charge at the BL would admit that Codex Sinaiticus was essentially stolen, and offer to return it to its rightful owners at St. Catherine's Monastery.
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It is inevitable that the new online publication will lead many viewers to read accounts about how Tischendorf "rescued" the codex from the monks at St. Catherine's. So I take this opportunity to say:
Tischendorf's story is not true.
The codex was essentially stolen. It was borrowed under the pretense that Tischendorf would return it on request.
As for Tischendorf's claim that he rescued part of the manuscript from a trash-basket, and that the basket's contents were about to be burned -- J. Rendel Harris has some interesting things to say about that in the 1908 February issue of The Expositor, which is available to download online, in the course of his article/review, "Dr. Gregory on the Canon and Text of the New Testament." Whereas Gregory took Tischendorf's side entirely, Harris is the complete opposite.
J. Rendel Harris was uniquely qualified to judge the plausibility of Tischendorf's claims, having visited St. Catherine's monastery himself. And Harris, as you will see when you read his remarks, provides good reasons to reject Tischendorf's version of events. Yet that fabrication -- whether promoted innocently, or with calculation, God knows -- is still being promoted.
This is an opportune moment for the British Library to do the right thing and offer to return Codex Sinaiticus to St. Catherine's Monastery. There has been a little bit of publicity about the online release of the photographs. It would be more, and better, publicity, in my book, if the people in charge at the BL would admit that Codex Sinaiticus was essentially stolen, and offer to return it to its rightful owners at St. Catherine's Monastery.
Yours in Christ,
James Snapp, Jr.
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[Real World Atheism] moral angst
What if The Batman was a man's man?
http://www.bilerico.com/2008/07/when_batman_was_gay.php
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Monday, July 06, 2009
Some present topics on "Origins": ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN
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'Toy Universe' Could Solve Life's Origins. By Robert Tobin. 2 July 2009
The Investigation: "God is One" and "God is Love" By Claudia M. Mazzucco
"A Speculation on the Origins and Evolution of Theism" By Carver
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"A Speculation on the Origins and Evolution of Theism" By Carver
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Saturday, July 04, 2009
On Atheist Nexus: First BDay Coming Soon! We need your help.
A message to all members of Atheist Nexus
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Also, there are 485 groups on Nexus. Some are national and regional groups which can put you in touch with local nontheists. Others are interest related: science, photography, writing, parenting, Shakespeare, GLBT, evolution, etc.
Primarily, Nexus provides social support for nontheists. However, it is not in competition with other organizations. In fact, one of its aims is to support them. Many already have their own groups on Nexus: American Atheists, Atheist Alliance International, American Humanist Association, Secular Student Alliance, and many more.
Prominent nontheist members include PZ Myers, Margaret Downey, Roy Speckhardt (AHA), Dale McGowan, Hemant Mehta (The Friendly Atheist), and James Morrow (author of the Godhead trilogy).
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Primarily, Nexus provides social support for nontheists. However, it is not in competition with other organizations. In fact, one of its aims is to support them. Many already have their own groups on Nexus: American Atheists, Atheist Alliance International, American Humanist Association, Secular Student Alliance, and many more.
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Thursday, July 02, 2009
[TC-Alternate-list] The Oldest Known Lectionary
A while ago, J Borland asked a question about what was the earliest known lectionary. I was going to answer by saying that P62 (I think it's P62, anyway) is possibly from a lectionary. But I remembered that Jost Gippert and others are working on one of the "new finds" ("New" in the sense that they were found in 1975): a lectionary containing text from Matthew, Luke, and John in the otherwise nearly extinct language of Udi.
This is probably the earliest known lectionary MS. You can learn more about it at
http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/armazi/sinai/prelacc.htm
including pictures.
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This is probably the earliest known lectionary MS. You can learn more about it at
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including pictures.
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Sunday, June 28, 2009
A Circle Of Logic In Reality: ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN
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